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NOT TOO SHABBY for first time bagels... A little doughy and chewy.. but just the same consistency of a California bagel... which I am accustomed to but they are not found her in Paris-- In the Marais, they have a different kind of bagel... I am going to try out different recipes... Maybe Walt can give me some tips on bagel making- but I know what to do if I ever have a bagel fix!!